Art work does not only exhibit in the gallery or museum but also the public area. We called them public art. Rosanna Wei Han Li is one of famous public art artist who have a well-known art work shows in MTR Yau Tong Station –Entrance A forecourt titled “People passing by, people lazing by”. It is a group of six ceramic sculptures which contain different postures. Li’s concept is « Slow down and relax; Eat heartily and be glad; Spend more…OR less; Live without regrets ». In the article, I would like to share with you about how the art work impress me and the improvement of them.

Firstly, it is a good way to catch passengers and residents attention by fat human shape sculptures. Being a fit or thin people is a popular trendy in Hong Kong. However, Li does not like to show something normal. Her sculptures all are fat people which present in a leisure way such as eating doughnuts, sitting and reading, standing and fanning with paper pan, etc. I appreciate her idea. Her idea seem to put a green point on a red color paper. The relaxing attitude sculptures really bring a better atmosphere to a crowd MTR station. When the passengers see the sculptures, they may feel happy and less pressure to go back home. Besides, “keep fit” which is a term really including stress because we need to control our habit every moment. These sculptures are telling people that we do not need to do this and just kick out. Thus, it is really effective way to transfer this message by using a visual way.

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Although the art work is nice, there is still some room of improvement. The art work can be improved by increasing the interactive with the public. Li said that “I hope the group of sculptures may also serve as a meeting point for MTR passengers and people living in the neighborhood.” However, there is no place to provide to the public so how can it be a meeting point? I suggest that there should be some empty chairs and tables between each sculpture. Hence, the public can integrate into the art work and feel the relax atmosphere in order to make it more likely a public art.

Furthermore, the art work can be more creative by adding some high-tech elements. I propose that there can be some sensors into each sculpture, for example, an infrared-red sensor. If the sensor detected some people, the sculptures would play corresponding sound effect. For instance, the feeding bird sculpture will play the creaking sound. I believed that the passengers willing to interact with a vivid Art work more than a silent work.

Besides the positive sides, I have a doubt which is the fat shaped sculptures may bring a wrong message to the public. Some people may affect and think that fat is relax, is good life style. It is totally an unhealthy concept. General speaking, citizen lifestyle is busy, if we encourage them to live lazy, they will do less exercise. And it is not the artist original idea but it cannot avoid. Therefore, I suggest that a description should put near the art work to let people understand what the artist original idea which can avoid wrong guessing cause bad society influence.

In conclusion, Li’s art work is a nice public art but still have room of improvement. If the art work adds some new elements, it can be more attractive. Also, the artists should consider the influence to the public if it is a public art.

They inspired by the mystery love letters which appeared suddenly at Manchester University’s Computer Department from August 1953 to May 1954. The software developers, Christopher Strachey designed a program which can combine the words randomly and formed them to a love letter. Christopher wanted the program to make the computer write love letters by itself and to make people feel touching. When the audience use the program, the computer will also write the love letter and have an interaction with the audience. The two artist, Helen and Winnie also want to use this concept to put into their artwork. In this Artwork, the two artists use the computational code to collect the texts from Twitter immediately, then the machine will turn these texts into some question and performed by a voice that with  human and non-human sound. Just like the love letters at Manchester University, the questions that listened in the artwork are also made by machine and when the audience use the machine, the sequence of the machine will also change. Actually, the result of the artwork will be changed by the action of the audiences.

In the exhibition, you see many black headphones hang up neatly on the white wall. The installation can arouse people’s curiosity to try to pick up the headphones and here what it is playing. When you listened to this machine, you feel that there is people asking you questions. Also, you will doubt that these questions are familiar to you which you have read them in the social network such as Facebook and Twitter. However, at the same time, you will listen a non human sound which make you feel that these questions are made by the machine. This artwork blurred the real world and the virtual world. This also makes you reflect that, you will type some text in the social network since you want to express your feeling before. Nevertheless, are we have the same propose now? Are we posting the texts just because we want to take other’s attention or want people to “like” us like a machine but do not have any feelings?

At last, these two artists used this method to make an artwork also inspired people that everything in the daily life are artworks too. Even the texts that we typed in daily life. You can bring out many other meanings from the things in the daily life when it combined with the electronic technology.

This is the world’s largest single artwork that Jim Denevan created with the commission by The Anthropologist, drawing on the landscape of Lake Baikal, the oldest lake in Russia.  The largest before this one was the 9 miles drawing in the desert of Nevada.

This sculpture was created in March 20 2012

10 is 12.5 square miles with over one thousand separate circles in several sizes, spending 15 days on the surface of the frozen lake to complete the landscape drawing.  This is a kind of mathematical art that needs adequate calculation on the circles drawing in these large size.  Jim Denevan set the pattern as Fibonacci curve, using snow ploughs for the large circular lines and shovels,bikes to complete the small one.  The smallest circle is just 18 inch for circumference.
There is also another artist doing similar work on the landscape, Robert Smithson.  His monumental earthwork Spiral Jetty was located on the Great Salt Lake in Utah. Using black basalt rocks and earth from the site, the artist created a coil 1,500 feet long and 15 feet wide that stretches out counter-clockwise into the translucent red water.  Some artists are making use of the landscape for their creation too, but it seems more about integration for Jim Denevan.

This creation also reminds me about the accuracy of crop circle.  Crop circle is always sizable pattern created by the flattening of different crop, with formations in mostly circular shape.  It appears in different countries, different places, around 10000 crop circles are reported through 20th century.  Someone claims that it may be man-made as archaeological remains can cause cropmarks in the fields, in the shapes of circles and squares, but they do not appear overnight and they are always in the same places every year.  Some may said that it is the message left by the ET to us, or the damage causing by the landing of UFO.  No matter the truth is, now artists can create something like that.  It aims to show the beauty of our planet.
It is a new way to show the beauty of our world, mixing the human effort.  People can merge with the natural environment through art form.  Jim Denevan always stands in the middle of his work and shows the combination of his work, between the landscape and the human.  It also reminds me a bit on the mandalas that buddhist monks draw in the sand area in Asian region and which are also erased through thousands of years. There is something eternally touching about beauty and transience on the landscape of the world.

Apparition, an interactive dance and media performance directed by Klaus Obermaier, combining the choreography with software, in collaboration with the Ars Electronica Futurelab.

Klaus Obermaier is a media-artist, director, choreographer and composer since two decades.  He creates innovative works in the area of performing arts, music, theatre and new media, highly acclaimed by critics and audience.  He is well known by dance/media works D.A.V.E. and VIVISECTOR.

His performances are shown at major festivals and theaters throughout Europe, Asia, North and South America and Australia.  He worked with dancers of the Nederlands Dans Theater, Chris Haring, Robert Tannion (DV8), Desireé Kongerød (S.O.A.P. Dance Theatre Frankfurt),…  He composed for ensembles like Kronos Quartet, German Chamber Philharmonics, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Balanescu Quartet, among others.

Two dancers, a strand of light behind them, an intense white strand of light, cutting across the rear wall, seem to be in response to the dancers, or is it that the dancers are responding to the light? This mesmerising brilliant strand is superseded by lines of light streaming down, vertically, contrasted by horizontal lines projected onto the bodies of the two dancers.  Is it the screen or is it the performers leading the action? It could never tell and the question became redundant in this ‘interactive dance and technology work’, created under the artistic direction of Austrian cross-media artist Klaus Obermaier.

One dancer implodes into a shadow, and then dances in silhouette against the screen of white lights. The dancers move with and against the fluctuating vertical lines and densities of black… all is relevant, involved and evolving.  To each movement waves of points expand on the surface of the bodies, drawing an organic back and forth on the skin, as if each molecule set in motion by choreography had been transformed into photon. Apparition, much more physical than one could expect: the computers do not crush the choreographies but raise them when they weaken.  Technology became the ‘third partner‘ in Apparition along with the two dancers, stretching the realm of the possible.

A few commented that Klaus Obermaier’s last project VIVISECTOR was intriguing and conceptually exciting, but did not contain enough substance to be sustainable as an hour-long piece of entertainment.   That was two years before this work, and things move fast through wires.  Apparition premiere was received enthusiastically, inciting prolonged rapturous applause. As the house lights came up a little boy who had been sitting behind me announced rather mournfully, eyes still transfixed on the stage, “All finished now”. I think he spoke for everyone.

Frances Li Ka Ching

Collection of The Andy Warhol Museum, Pittsburgh
© 1996 The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts, Inc.
Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York

The Andy Warhol’s touring exhibition was opened at the Museum of Art last Sunday and it seems a great show for audience as the curator arranged it into four parts, according to Warhol’s differential artistic careers, the audience could clearly understand what the characteristics of creations is in his whole life, from commercial illustrations then fine art projects to celebrities’ portraits. However, it is a great pity that the exhibition may just pay more attentions on artist’s graphic works but less on film creations, whereas, Warhol’s films could strongly represent real zeitgeist in American 60s, even though these underground films have not received any high reputations. From this, “Mario Banana” could be an example for explanation.In the film, a gay actor acts like a transvestite and shows how he could play tricks on a banana in a pornographic context, firstly, the actor wears wig, crown, long white gloves, exposed feminine court dress and has a extremely-emphasized feminine facial make up, dress an, then makes an indolent gesture in front of the camera, after that, the actor picks up a yellow-color banana and his eyes start flirtation, afterwards, he uses the fingers to peel the banana slowly. Later, the actor starts sucking and licking the banana’s flesh and then eats it periodically.

According to Judith Butler’s theory of gender performativity, identification of a person actual gender is depended on person actual actions, for instances, a man’s lifestyle is totally the same as woman’s and thus, that man is completely identified as a woman, and this methodology may create diversity of exploring gender issue, whereas, if it try to become a common sense, it could be attacked by traditional dualistic rules of identifying gender, meanwhile, it may also be considered as confusion of world. Like the content in the film, the transvestite is considered as an image of flightiness and ethically degeneracy, especially the film is run like an underground-pornographic movie, however, it is the fact that it has been created and if we traces back Warhol’s artistic pathway, we may explore the origin of artist creating these kind of films and the zeitgeist represented, with the discourse of sociological view.

In 1963, Warhol set up his new studio called “Factory” in New York and he started film making at that time, meanwhile, the Factory was opened to the public, artists, celebrities and other underprivileged groups like homeless teenagers, sexual minorities, ethnic minorities, so that, social classes and rules were broken in the Factory and people might take drugs, wear in drag, discuss and obtain sexual excitement and play underground actions. As I mentioned above, transvestite might not be accepted by traditions, however, in the Factory, which is a small heaven, transvestite might become a great thing. From the Warhol’s filmography, he preferred to find some actors who had curious backgrounds (like Edie Sedgwick, as one of the Warhol superstars, she came from a grand family but she wanted to come to New York to develop his personal career. After that, she became a member of the Factory and try to participate in his film making, then Sedgwick became a close partner of Warhol and they usually joined lots of parties held by celebrities together, however, they broke down later and Sedgwick finally died of drug abuse in 1971), moreover, Warhol have created film topics as an expression of counterculture, avant grade but lack of ethics, for instances, “Blow Job”, produced in 1964, the films describes a facial expression of a male who was sucked by another male. The issues of meaninglessness, sexual relations, homosexuality, drugs, and transgender are the main elements of the films produced in the Factory.

From the context of American subculture in 1960s, money, celebrity culture, parties and drug could be the main spirit which people concentrated on at that time, since the Second World War ended up, economy of the United State started recovering after successive years of recession and people tried to forget the painful memories by making enjoyment in a great tendency. Moreover, sociological background had a great change, as the American need to face Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam War and the following series of political demonstration and ideological advocacy like Susan Sontang and Allen Ginsberg’s saying. Therefore, Sex, money and drug might be the best opium to anaesthetize people, especially the teenagers, and it was free for them to try to protest against the whole traditional ethical system that they have achieved in lives before, then develop counterculture like Hippie and drown themselves in great pleasures, in order to obtain personal excitement and enjoyment. Thus, we may discover that the image of transvestite in pornographic context in the film is a superlative expression of the human senses of 1960s’ Americans.

It is quite curious that the people grown up after 70s and 80s may consider that 60s is the period of time which was entirely filled up with crazy confusion and great disorder under heaven, as they might have not experienced any great political and sociological issues and the more important point is, they have not done anything crazy.

This work is extremely famous that most of Hong Kong people know this artwork Hong Kong street artist called Tsang Tsou Choi.

His artwork is unique as he is the first person to write a lot of Chinese words on different stuff of the public area in Hong Kong. It was not difficult for us to find out his special writings on different streets few years ago. His artworks are introduced in museum after his death. Those artworks were part of our lives and street culture but it became a part of history as those artworks do not appear on streets anymore. Although removing those writings from streets is considering the public areas’ appearance, it is a loss of our street culture and it became our memory. His artwork was very common in the past as we always saw his creative and stylish writings, we would not realize those artworks were treasures of street culture. Just like the old, special buildings of Hong Kong, we would not think that it is a treasure or important memory. But when those old things disappeared, we will find that those things are valuable. It is similar to those artworks that it raised public’s concern after those artworks had disappeared on the street. His artworks are quite successful as it is built on the solid foundation of the public memories and the street culture.

Video of this work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdXcZq16yFc

Have you ever wonder what the feeling would be while being surrounded by electricity?

Electric Dress (1956), the work by Atsuko Tanaka, is a combination of modern technology and traditional culture.

The Electric Dress is an early work of wearable art. It is made of electrical wires and hundreds of coloured neon light bulbs, painted with primary colours by enamel. The dress is actually the traditional Japanese kimono for marriage (although some people thought it looks like Christmas tree). Tanaka wore this work in exhibitions and walk through the exhibition hall. The light bulbs will be flicker according to body’s circuitry. The concept of this work is combining traditional Japanese kimono and innovative technology.

At first when I seen this work, I thought it was an installation. It’s because it is made of several light bulbs, and I didn’t thought that electric bulb can be wearable. But after I have done research on the work, I knew that it is not a simple installation, it is wearable. This innovative idea had made this work became well-known.

Atsuko Tanaka, wearing the “Electric Dress”

Atsuko Tanaka (1932-2005) is a Japanese avant-garde artist, born in Osaka. She was also a member of Gutai group, an avant-garde artists’ movement, found in 1954. The aim of the Gutai group was to break the boundaries between art and life in post-war Japan. They intended to eliminate the horrors away.

Tanaka’s purpose was to get as close as possible to the materials used in the work, and even permeate into it, although there was danger of being electrocuted[1]. After the post-war period of Osaka, new technology is being invented. Tanaka wanted to transmit the idea of post war Japan’s rapid transformation and urbanization throughout the work. The sparkling of the light bulbs could be a symbol of fresh, hope and shining start. Apart from the new technology development, the work also remained people do not forget the tradition. Her presentation of traditional feminine fashion is outstanding in the prehistory of feminist art.

The meaning of the group Gutai is embodiment, meaning mixing up art and life. Gutai’s aim to “go beyond the borders of existing art”. The motto of the Gutai is “create things that have never existed before.” The work, “Electric Dress” had achieved both of these. For embodiment, the work is using a concept of Japanese kimono, which is a traditional and well-known traditional cloth of Japan. When audience viewing the work, they would have a kind of consensus. As the artist is Japanese, so Japanese would normally be the most frequent audiences of the work. Besides, Tanaka would wear the work in the past exhibitions; it shows that art can mix with human life. On the other hand, this work is a very innovative work at that period, which matches with the motto of the Gutai. Gutai encourage artists never imitate. There may be people think of using light bulbs for art, but not for clothing. Beside as a tool of performance, the work itself is already a piece of artwork. In nowadays exhibitions, “Electric Dress” is no longer being worn by somebody, while just being display like an installation, but it inspiration still lasting until today.

The function of “Electric Dress” as a wearable art is quite different from traditional wearable art. It is not made use of material for normal clothing. Instead of the function of wearing, it is more concerned to be a stage cloth for performance. This kind of performance wearable art can arduously be wearing for daily movement. Some example of wearable art for performance include “TV Bra for Living Sculpture” (1969) by Nam June Paik and Charlotte Moorman and “Hysterical Bubble” (2010) by Anja Hertenberger.

TV Bra for Living Sculpture (1969) by Nam June Paik and Charlotte Moorman

Hysterical Bubble (2010) by Anja Hertenberg

Innovative is very important for new media artwork. Electric Dress is really creative. Besides, I appreciate the motto of Gutai group very much. I think it is really important for an artwork to be not being existed before. If the work planned to create is already existed in the world, I think there would be no point to create it again. This work combined new technology and tradition. I also love this point very much. It is true that the technology is being rapidly developed, but I think we still should not forget about the past and the tradition. The history is the provenance of development. Without the past, there will not be future. Thus, I think the idea of Electric Dress on combining the tradition and innovation demonstrate the progress of development, while not forgive the past; all technology are develop based on the past. The last thing I would like to say is, one of the reasons for this work to be so long existed, I think, is because this work is somehow “very Japanese”. Although it made use of advanced technology, the foundation is still based on the very traditional stuff – kimono. As kimono is world-wide known traditional Japanese clothing, it makes the Electric Dress to be very outstanding as a Japanese artwork, as kimono could basically equal to symbol of Japan. Therefore, people could recognize this is a Japanese work easily, and made the work to become so renowned, especially in Japan.

In conclusion, “Electric Dress” is an innovative work at the 20th century, and the reason for “Electric Dress” to be so influential is that, it achieved the point that most performance artwork cannot do, that is maintained its power for decades.

[1] Helen Westgeest, Zen in the fifties: interaction in art between east and west (Zwolle: Waanders Uitgevers), pp.192

Image Source:
1. http://www.art-it.asia/u/admin_ed_exrev/gP5JApKSbVBQwG9lm8vZ/
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atsuko_Tanaka_(artist)
3. http://hillyerartspace.tumblr.com/post/24079056864/r4bbithouse-tv-bra-for-living-sculpture-by-nam
4. http://www.anjahertenberger.net/HystericalBubble_blog/?page_id=23

The first impression of this installation may be disorderliness. But in fact, the large structure which was the Project 3 of Fairytale Art Event produced in 2007, was conducted by Ai Weiwei.

The work built out of Ming and Qing dynasty wooden doors and window frames. Those used objects were actually belonged to destroyed houses from destroyed ancient townships in China. Ai explains, ‘the materials I use comes from objects destroyed in the name of development, or would be used by antique dealers to make copies of antique future’. The doors and window frames are no longer used in themselves but become an artwork taking by artist. Surprisingly, Template was finally collapsed under heavy weather condition. Ai claimed that Template was more beautiful than before.

Ai always creates artwork combine innovative idea with political thinking to reveal inner struggle of current China. The material used in this installation had been considered as a symbol as recycled elements of the past and an irony to Cultural Revolution.

Ai makes a satire to Cultural Revolution in early China. On that time, Mao Zedong, the leader of China, encouraged people to destroy the old civilization in order to create a new culture. The revolution was undeniable a killer of Chinese tradition. Ai described it as one of ‘disasters and contradictions.’ To make an irony, he took this concept into his artwork. He often works deal with deconstruction and construction. Like other Ming and Qing Dynasty works, Ai destructed the old form of the object then reorganizes it to a new form.

On the other hand, Template is also a performance art. Without the sudden wind, it cannot be like that and much more beautiful. Without the harsh climate, it just an ordinary installation. The natural factor in its exhibited period also adds a huge dramatic effect to Template. Not only the result of this work had been changed, but also interpreted Ai’s art attitude. Template was destroyed by the weather but developed a new form. Everything to be created should be undermined first. At last, it seems that process, as a happening should also be a part of art in the work.

In above practice, materials and timing strongly influence a work and add meaning to it. In Ai’s art-world, there is totally free. He can use anything to come up with idea, direct the production and make judgment. Ai Weiwei’s work raises my awareness of the meaning of Art.

Art would be considered as a thought, philosophy rather than aesthetics. Not means that aesthetics is hard to define and judge. It means that artist is not a craftsman or machine which produce things in order and Art can also be expanded in timing. The process can also be a part of artwork. As industry and technology becomes more and more mature, artists has more way to represent their idea. Traditional painter used different skills and technique to convey their concept but contemporary artist uses different methods and technology to express their idea. The possibility of making art has been magnified. And all the material, form and media even the timing only serves artist’s thinking.

http://www.cokonrads.de/situ/gate.html

For the first impression of above-mentioned installation, I just see some floating stones. And I think the artist wants to show some unbelievable scenes from fiction movies purely. I would say people in reality can feel what characters feel in movies after appreciating this installation, which named “the gate”, created in 2004.

This mind-bending site-specific installation was created by a German land artist Cornelia Konrads. The Gate is mysterious, sometimes I do not know why I love it. But I think I am not just attracted by its amazing exterior but also its inner charms. Konrads makes use of material from the nature to build up “the gate”. Thousands of pieces of rock were connected by several steel ropes. It is almost camouflaged by the surrounding woodlands. I love the sense of harmony. Indeed, the most attractive feature of this installation should be the illusion of denying gravity and the violation of Newton’s law. When you get close to the pillar, you may just see several steel bars link pieces of rocks. But when you view it in distant place, a magical phenomenon appears before your real eyes. Those heavy rocks appear to be floated in mid-air individually. They never drop off. She uses her hand and some normal tools to generate a weightless space.

In my opinion, “the gate” also symbolized the memories of different times. Recalling my impression towards this installation, I do not recognize this is a gate directly. What we can see is two pillars stand in on both side of a path.

 But I should pay attention to a special part of this installation. I can see that sizes of rocks at the top of two spillers are getting smaller, because Konrads capture a moment when stones are dissolving. I am not sure whether stones are flying up or falling down. I certainly consent that the upper part of the gate is conveyed to another unknown space and become a legend in that space. Perhaps the existing part is actually from past or future. Although it just a suspend scene of the whole process, it already can make viewers feel that all these rocks are changing. Furthermore, I can get an illusion that I likely go to other spaces or times and images from other times pop up in my mind once I go through this gate. A gate and a path can establish a time machine.

Why she set up this installation in a forest? In my opinion that is because everything in nature is different, we do not know whether they all from a same space. Nature can conveniently be separated by just a gate, especially a gate made of stones.

Every elements of this installation can be combined harmoniously. Konrads is creation an illusion of interlacing space and time. Thu, this is not just a standstill gate, this is an entrance to other space and I can say this is a hub of time travel.

Time of Doubles: Flux is one of the version of their Artificial Nature series which is a research project and an evolving art installation since 2008. It is an immersive interactive art installation, which consist of stereoscopic projection with an arc- shaped screen, 3D depth camera sensing, and a surround array of active loudspeakers. And it aims to let audiences to experience mirror existences.

There are different creatures on the screen, such as small green balls are protists (they look like frog somehow), long transparent snake-like life-forms in blue are bigger marine animals, and orange particle of sun are humans. All of these elements are formed a food chain and imitated ecosystem.

Fig.1. Stereoscopic projection with an arc- shaped screen.

Fig.2. A picture consist of small green balls, snake-like life-forms and particle of sun.

It is just like a mirror, a mirror presents a horizontal world which contain human and creatures. Although all are not live in the same space, they affected each other.

Here is a video shows how the presence of human affects the corresponding world:
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When a man stands in front of the screen, he is providing eaten resource and will attract protists come to absorb the energy as their food. Then, the bigger marine animals come to eat the protists. But the provided energy is depends on how many people are there, the more people present, the more sources for the creature. (fig.3)

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For the meaning of this art work, it is about natural theory, which is interesting and meaningful.

First of all, it represents the jungle law which is the weak are the prey of the strong. During the process, whenever the snake-like life-forms pass through, the number of protist is decreased in those areas. That means the bigger size you have, the bigger right you have. Although it looks harsh, however this is what we call JUNGLE RULE in reality.

Besides, I think the art work talk about the relationship between nature, technology and art which is the main purpose why the two creators make this art work out. Since they think that these elements could be combined, as well as is artists’ responsibility to combine these elements together through different art formats, citizens can live with nature without leave the city and reduce their time spend on transportation. Therefore audiences can work with the evolving in a few minutes and in the city.

On the other hands, it means that audiences can make a great effort on evolution of organisms. In this art work, after the organisms have eaten food from the humans, speed of growing is increased rapidly. The protists will have four legs, that is why it looks like frog somehow. Back to the world we are living, what have humans done also make a great impact on organisms. For examples, hunters kill animals to extract their blood, fur and organ, which diminish the amount of extinct species; and countries destroy rainforest to gain land and wooden for selling, this action ruin species’ habitat. The most obvious evidence is the global warming. Not only human affected by the climate changes, but also species. With the impact, they can do nothing but adapt the changes of environment. Is their responsibility to bear the impact? NO. At least they know how to respect the nature and well use of resources.

So, is it high time we have to reflect ourselves and the relationship between nature and human? Time of Doubles: Flux might give us some hints.